where during the day time its kind like a warming center but it's also a center for people looking for education, and training, and employment and where they can get basic health services that are provided by doctors, organizations and hospitals and so on. and then there was a time, when various hospitals would provide the laundry, they would take care of the sheets and the towels. and what-- >> what i think we're seeing with that is-- i hacken back to cecily williams if you can remember him. back there that with religions you have the necessity of doctrines, and myths, and these elements, and dimensions that we've looked at, but you have to care about human beings. i think that's what you are hitting on here you have to take care of those basic human needs and have compassion for people because that's the instinct in religion, how often we don't see it-- >> she is also pointing out that it is inter-faith-- we have an inter-faith council-- it does pass. which is the church of the future maybe? >> some how as dr. moore say's we've got to break that down. yes, ron. >> pin, when you got pinned here